The interview between Vice President Kamala Harris and Fox chief political anchor Bret Baier was frequently testy, with both frequently interrupting and speaking over each other.

In a combative interview with Fox News, Kamala Harris said in the most emphatic terms to date that, if she wins the election, she would pursue an independent presidency that would not be a repeat of President Joe Biden’s nearly four years in office.

Pressed and often interrupted by Bret Baier, the vice president opened up a little more distance from President Biden and defended her position on immigration and border security.